Friday, October 4, 2019

Charlie Baker Vaping Ban, Was It A Good Idea?

Last Tuesday, Governor Charlie Baker took action ordering a 4-month ban on the sale of all vaping products in Massachusetts. Charlie’s decisions comes after a public health emergency, which brings concern to the risk and injury of smoking (vaping). The ban will end on January 25th and the governor could decide to extend it if needed. Even of the sell from online stores is prohibited. This ban will give time for the medical community and federal officials time to investigate the nine deaths caused by vaping. Dr. Alicia Casey, a pediatric at the Boston Children Hospital says teens could suffer permanent lung damage after vaping and an FDA spokeswoman said that they were “working tirelessly” to investigate the vaping-related lung illnesses. Geoffrey Yalenezian, chief operating officer of Brennan’s Smoke Shop a local smokeshop says “My chin hit the floor” after all of his eight smoke shops were shut down due to the inability to make a profit. Many other local shops could be crushed by this ban and wouldn't be able to afford for themselves and their families. Although there are many health risks of vaping its people's jobs to sell them for a living. State lawmakers are already pushing separate bills that would permanently ban all flavors and types of e-cigarettes. This is a small step for banning vaping everywhere around the world. Read (This Article) Boston Globe and then post a thoughtful comment that answers the following questions.

1.     Do you agree with Gov. Baker's 4 month ban and why or why not?
2.     If you were a small vape shop owner, what would do in this case - wait it out or close permanently and find something new?
3.     Have you ever been near someone that was vaping and try and hold your breath? If so, why did you do this?

4.     What do you think the future of vaping will be like? Is it good or bad?

“Baker Declares Public Health Emergency, Orders 4-Month Ban on All Vaping Products - The Boston Globe.” BostonGlobe.Com, 2019, www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/09/24/governor-baker-make-vaping-announcement-amid-spate-lung-illnesses/o8sO6mf3GOmX4mOpLLtcEL/story.html. Accessed 2 Oct. 2019.

15 comments:

  1. 1, I strongly agree with the four-month ban by Gov. Charlie Baker. The main consumers of vaping are mainly children that are still in school. Vaping has significant effects on your body such as not doing as well in sports and messing around with your cognitive thinking. A Juul (vaping product) contains around the same amount of nicotine as a pack of cigarettes, not only that but Nicotine is a highly addictive drug. So once you have a single vape it is extremely difficult to stop.
    2, If I was a small vape shop owner I would try to move onto something new. Since the vaping ban has created much traction it would be highly unlikely that they wouldn't continue the ban, as the result is likely to show that there were fewer accidents. Once the ban becomes permanent I wouldn't have a job. So if I move onto something else currently I would be more successful than I would be when I was a small shop owner.
    3, I have not personally smelled vape or seen someone vape but I have seen someone holding a Juul. Fairly recently I was approached by a woman in a Subway shop, and she asked me for two dollars. I didn't know how to react as she was wearing some expensive clothes and bags. Then I noticed she was holding a Juul in her hand. I can infer that perhaps juuling caused her to be in this difficult situation in her life and that if she never tried in the first place she would be much better off. This realization had a significant effect on me as it showed that small decisions may have a huge impact on your life.
    4, I think the future of vaping is very slim. The growing awareness of this problem is helping the situation do ban vapes.

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  2. 1. I agree with the 4 month ban put into place by Gov. Charlie Baker. By implicating the 4 month ban to study the disease and illness' caused by vaping Gov. Baker is only protecting the citizens of Massachusetts. Considering the fact that some if not most Vape users are underaged and vaping could have negative long term effects on the mind and body. This ban will stop new users before it is too late to do any real harm. And if the research that the 4 month ban is supporting finds that there is something mortally wrong vaping more drastic measures would be taken to prevent any further damage.
    2. If I were a vape shop owner I would address Gov. Charlie Baker and demand that the state pay me around the same amount of money that I would earn off vape pens. If he denies my request I would close up and start a new. But if he does accept my demands then if the research does NOT show any evidence that vaping can cause harsh disease or death, then it will be back to business. However, if evidence does show that vaping can cause harsh disease or death than I would sell my shop and continue to demand that the state pay me until I have found a new sustainable job.
    3. I have seen people vaping before. It is common nowadays, but I pity them because I know that they have fallen into some sort of trap, whether it be peer pressure or life taking its toll. As I walk by I think how foolish they are being and give them a "pity cough". This means as I walk by make an exaggerated cough, so that they notice because insecurity is one of the greatest weapons of persuasion. By forcing the people who are vaping to notice me coughing I am attempting to make them feel guilty about what they are doing to the people around them and hopefully to themselves.
    4. I think that the Vape Pen and e-cigarette industry will be difficult one to erase from the world. Although as more and more people start to become aware that these types of business' rely on addiction to make a profit the better the outcome.

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  3. 1.I agree with Henry and Leo that reducing vaping in Massachusetts is beneficial, but the way that the ban was carried out is terrible and a publicity grab for a governor that needed a win. First, the ban is an affront to all stores that sell flavored e-cigarettes, who stocked up inventory and designed their business model around the assumption that their product would be legal. By only giving two weeks notice, Charlie Baker is strangling small business owners that don’t have time to adapt to a sudden regulatory change. Second, this is clearly a political move that does not solve anything. Gradual regulation against vaping is not a bad thing, but if the governor has the power to institute sweeping regulatory change he should use it on something more important, like reducing smoking or stopping climate change.
    2.If I owned a convenience store or a vape shop I would be furious at Charlie Baker for ruining my business and making me lose my job simply for a political move. For someone who has invested the majority of their assets into a store, this ban could cost them their jobs and their livelihoods. There is no way to move on once all of your assets and your business has been shut down because of unexpected regulations.
    3.While I may hold my breath or try to avoid being in direct contact with vapor from e-cigarettes, it is a personal choice whether to use e-cigarettes or not. For someone over the age of 21 who is responsible enough to make decisions, vaping should be an option that they can have. It is not my place to pass judgments on the lifestyle of those who are able to make decisions for themselves.
    4.The future of vaping lies within the hands of the government and it is likely that the vaping industry will see a huge decline. Governor Baker’s ban is probably only the beginning of more regulations against vaping. While vaping has had a rapid rise, it will probably have a rapid fall too.

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  4. 1) I agree with Governor Baker’s four month ban because vaping is terrible for everyone and it shouldn’t be permitted in Massachusetts. However, when something is restricted, usually people want it even more, so they go to drastic measures to obtain it. Like with rhino horns in Africa, hunters poach more and more rhinos because there are so little horns left. If rhinos were bred for their horns and sold around the world, most people would no longer want them. Now that vaping is no longer legal, I think more people will want to do it.

    2) I would move on to something new because as Leo said, the ban will probably continue after four months. Even if it doesn’t, I would be out of work for a while and not making any money, so it would be best to just move on to something new.

    3) I have never seen any vaping that I know of, but I do hold my breath when I walk down the street and someone is smoking. It’s a habit I’ve fallen into because I’ve heard that it can still hurt your body to secondhand smoke.

    4) I think vaping will never be completely erased from the world, and there will always be people who choose to do it. However, the bans are hopefully raising awareness about how bad vaping is for your body, and maybe even lowering the number of vape pens or e-cigarettes.

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  6. 1) I support Governor Charlie Baker's 4-month ban on vaping. Researchers and doctors must be given time to understand the effects of vaping and the diseases caping can cause before more damage or death can occur. Also, as Henry said many vape users are underage and may not be mature enough to process or understand the impact vaping can have on a person.

    2) If a was an owner of a vape shop I would move onto something new. The ban will likely continue because even if researchers do discover what from the vape is causing the diseases it is unknown whether companies who produce vape will change that part of the product. Also, even if it is changed there is always a chance that other chemicals that aren't changed could affect. It would be most beneficial for vape shop owners to just move on, rather than wait out an unknown amount of time.

    3) I have never been near someone vaping that I know of, although I could understand why someone would not want to inhale second hand smoke.

    4) I think that the future of vaping could go either way. Although there have been many issues revolving around vaping, many use vaping as an alternative to smoking and will most likely continue to do it. On the other hand, since the action is already been taken about banning vaping (Governor Baker's 4-month ban.) I think other states will follow suit if more issues occur, which could lead to the possibility of a permanent ban.

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  7. 1) I agree with the 4-month ban because of all the vape related illnesses that have been affecting teenagers and adults in the United States. Governor Charlie Baker is setting this ban to try to find how people are getting these lung illnesses. I completely agree with Maddie with the fact that when something is restricted people want it more and they will find any way to obtain it whether it’s legal or illegal. Since vaping products are banned online and retail people will try to find other ways to get products and this is much more dangerous. I read an article a few days ago that some illegal vaping products are tainted with hydrogen cyanide. This is obviously dangerous and I believe that the ban is a good thing but at the same time the ban is pushing people towards the illegal products which definitely contain more health risks.

    2) If I was a vape shop owner I would close permanently and find something new. I would do this because of how it would affect me over the 4-months. This 4-month ban is affecting small businesses who make a living on selling these products. If there is a ban the store owner will lose money and not make enough money to live on and eventually have to close it wether they like it or not.

    3) I have never held my breath near someone vaping but I have held my breath near someone who smokes before. I’ve honestly never been near someone that’s vaped before or at least that I know of. But if I passed by someone I think I would do it because of second-hand smoking which if I inhaled a lot could affect me too.

    4) I think the future of vaping LEGALLY in Massachusetts is not looking too good. I believe that the ban will be extended and retail stores will have to close but I think that because of the ban people will start purchasing products from illegal sites and that will be worse in the long run.

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  8. 1. I mostly agree with the 4-month ban on vaping products. Vaping has been proved to be detrimental to teen's health and leaves lifelong lung issues. In theory, the ban could protect people's health, the restriction does not have guaranteed success, because realistically people will continue to vape. I also feel that there are many other more important issues Charlie Baker could be focussing on to make more of a difference.
    2. If I was the owner of a vape shop, I would probably be very upset by this ban. I would be forced to find a new area of work, which would probably be very difficult and thee is the very likely possibility that I would have to go without a job for a little while.
    3. When walking by someone who is vaping I may try and avoid breathing it in to avoid secondhand smoke. It feels very unnecessary to comment on this person's choice because it is their distinction to do this to their bodies, no one else's.
    4. The total elimination of vaping in Massachusetts appears to be very unrealistic to me. At this point many people are addicted, therefore making it very unlikely they will stop even if the ban continues. Take drugs, for instance, many drugs are illegal, but that doesn't stop people from doing them. I think a similar outcome is likely to occur if all vaping products become permanently banned.

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  9. 1. I agree with the ban because vaping clearly has serious health consequences on people. According to many doctors and pediatricians, your lungs can be seriously damaged and vaping can cause death, as it has with nine teenagers already.

    2. If I were a vape shop owner, I would be put under a lot of pressure and struggle under this law because it is my source of profit. I would probably ask for money back on all the money I spent on materials and marketing.

    3. Due to information on second-hand-smoking, I know it is best not to be around people smoking anything. If you are around someone who smokes a lot, it can be just as detrimental to your health as doing it yourself which is why I usually stay away from people who are smoking or try no to breath too much in when passing people on the street.

    4. Although currently, vaping is illegal, people will still do it because they have an addiction. Whether or not it is legal in the future, people will most likely still vape.

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  10. 1) I strongly support the movement to ban vaping products long term, but I do not believe that a four month ban will be effective in making much progress towards that goal. Four months is very little time to do any additional research and a short time to come up with a comprehensive solution. Experts in the article describe the problem as “multifaceted” raising so many questions from “what types of additives are to blame” to “what parts of electronic cigarette devices” may be contributing to the outbreak. I believe we need more time to answer these questions. While the ban is a much needed step in the right direction, more is needed to stop the vaping crisis. Hopefully, the ban will be extended if enough information is gathered. One concern I have relates to the people who are already addicted to nicotine. Addicted teens and adults could be forced to use unregulated sources to keep up with their addiction. This could also force addicts to rely on other sources such as regular cigarettes which are even more dangerous as described in The Globe article.
    2) If I were a shop owner that sold vaping products the ban would be me losing a bet that I took when I opened up shop. With any product that takes advantage of people by getting them hooked on addictive products, health risks and backlash come with the industry. The ban was also not a surprise that caught people off guard, but rather an inevitable ban given the rapidly increasing health concerns. While I am sorry for anyone losing their job as a result of the ban, I feel that public health should always be a top priority. As most vaping shop owners probably know, when it comes to addictive substances, the only person that really “wins” is the tobacco industry.
    3) I have seen people vape before and while I have never been close enough to have to hold my breath, I always try to avoid people vaping. Secondhand smoke is bad for you and I would prefer not to have potentially dangerous chemicals anywhere near me. This is the main reason I avoid vaping clouds.
    4) I think, like any tobacco product, vaping will unfortunately be around forever. Cigarettes that we know are extremely dangerous are still legal. However, public health information on the risks of cigarettes has been effective in deterring people, adults and minors alike, from even considering them for use. Once more vaping research comes out, hopefully vaping will achieve the same bad reputation that smoking has. In my mind this is the second best thing to a legal ban. Having what I like to think of as a “personal mental ban” could prevent people from making decisions they will regret.




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  11. 1. Do you agree with Gov. Baker's 4 month ban and why or why not?
    I do, too many people have permanently damaged their body's and what Gov. Baker is doing is saving lives. The vaping epidemic is the fastest growing epidemic in this country and is targeting young teens that do not know whats happening to their bodies.
    2. If you were a small vape shop owner, what would do in this case - wait it out or close permanently and find something new?
    If I was a small vape shop owner I would have to find new inventory. Gov. Baker cleary wants to ban vaping and I would cut my loses now and try to find the next hot trend to hop on. Vaping in Massachusetts is coming to an end and the quicker you hope off the train as soon as possible.
    3. Have you ever been near someone that was vaping and try and hold your breath? If so, why did you do this?
    No, I have never really been in an area when someone vapes. If I was I would probably because I would not like to get the nicotine in my system.
    4. What do you think the future of vaping will be like? Is it good or bad?
    The future of vaping is dying. More and more people are learning the affects of this drug and state officials are putting in laws to ban vapes.

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  13. 1. The four month ban on vape products, that Governor Charlie Baker imposed seems completely equitable. The ban is currently set as temporary which means that people who do smoke or vape have to put down their cigarettes or vapes for a certain time. This time off of their addiction could possibly lead them to put down their smoking devices for good.
    2. Vape shop owners definitely are put in a tough position during this ban. Their entire profit comes off of selling vapes, and if no one can buy their vapes, they can’t make money. It is likely these shop owners’ only way of making money is selling vapes and e-cigarettes, which means they most likely don’t have other jobs where they can make money. If I were a vape shop owner, I would simply wait it out, because starting a new business from scratch is too much effort and I will not be likely to succeed. When the ban ends, surely many customers will return to get their trusted vape products because the nicotine will not leave them.
    3. I haven’t been near someone who vapes, but I sometimes do pass by people who smoke. The smoke coming from their cigarette surrounds the air within a good five feet from them. When I walk by, the only way to prevent the smoke from clogging my lungs is by holding my breath. I don’t say anything to them because surely, they have seen those nagging ads about the cons of vaping, and the only reason they would do it is simply because they don’t care about their own well-being. I don’t say anything also because I feel it isn’t my duty to tell someone how to live their life. If they want to vape, that’s their choice.
    4. The future of vaping is as bad as its present. Nothing good will come out of it. Unless scientists in the future can find a way to make vaping as attractive as it is without the overdose of nicotine and the bad air it expels that negatively fills your lungs, vaping will never be healthy.

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  14. 1. I agree with the 4-month ban on vape products. Vape has caused the risk of injuries and I think it is best for doctors to find out more about the outcomes of vaping before letting people smoke without knowing the harm in doing so. Vape is usually seen as a replacement for smoking, giving the idea that it is better than smoking although, vape has most of the same effects such as addiction and lung problems. As Jemma and Henry said, many vape users are underage and these products will affect kids more and more as they grow up.

    2. If I were a small vape shop owner and my only income came from the shop, I would probably wait out the ban, but find something new in the meantime. If I could eaisliey find another well paying job, or if I had another way of making money, then I would most likely just quit selling smoke. I would also quit because the future for my vape shop would be undefined and it would be hard to keep the store running.

    3. I’ve never been near a person vaping, but I often walk by a smoker when I’m outside. When I was younger I only rarely smelled smoke and I liked the scent, but as I grew older the smell was more continuous and the number of smokers around me increased. I no longer like the smell and I feel bad for any person who has to be surrounded by a smoker.

    4. I think the future of vaping depends on how long the government exceeds the 4-month ban. If the ban continues, the disappearance of vape products seems pretty brights. As Maddie said, people want things that are taken away from them more, so if vape becomes legal again, people might use it more. Hopefully, if the vaping ban ends, people will realize the effects of vape products, and quit.

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  15. 1) I do agree with Charlie Baker’s 4 month ban and that he has prohibited sellers to produce products. This does not mean that people who already own vapes can’t use them, it just means that they can’t be sold. The only reason Governor Baker had any control over this was because it was declared a Public Health Emergency. In New York and Michigan, the sale of flavored e-cigarettes (targeted towards teens) has been outlawed but neither of the states have banned all products. The article says that, “California officials are advising people to stop vaping immediately.” They are just advising citizens to do so not actually forbidding them from doing it even though people may not listen. Others have said it is an overreaction and that people shouldn’t be so caught up in the world of vaping. I do not believe that it is an overreaction because although no one is sure that people are getting lung disease because of vapes, it is possible to make inferences showing that teens are using them and other teens are getting hurt. The second to last paragraph of the article states that, “that ban, which supporters have said would be the furthest-reaching in the country, would apply to all flavors, including menthol, mint, and wintergreen, which to date have often been exempted from flavor-related regulations on the grounds they are ‘adult’ flavors.” This shows that both generations are targeted and that there is a difference between ADULT and TEEN flavors.

    2) The topic is very controversial as to how and who this ban is affecting. It is helping people but at the same time hurting others. The ban is detrimental to licensed businesses. For some, especially smaller businesses, it is hurting them. Selling these products are their way of making money. In turn though, people are dying and their lungs are basically being destroyed because of this. In the end, it’s helping so that others aren’t hospitalized and don’t end up the same way as the others. If I were a vape shop owner I think I would close permanently and find something new. I think I would have enough common sense to realise that I wouldn’t be able to support myself anymore and the ban would most likely turn the selling and buying of vaping and e-cigarettes, illegal.

    3) I haven’t been in close contact with people who vape but I have been in the same vicinity as them. I used to walk by a smoke shop most Wednesdays on my way home from school. I’d always take the shortcut through the area since I didn’t like walking through the large intersection. It comes naturally to hold my breath when walking by the smoke shop and I now know what just inhaling the cloud can do to someone.

    4) I think the future of vaping could turn out either way. There are some people opposed to the ban Charlie Baker has enforced but there are others who support it. I for one think that if enough awareness is spread then it’ll have a larger impact on our country than it has so far.

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